Monday, 19 September 2011

Self-defence

"Nobody has to put up with aggression and surrender his right of self-defense for fear of hurting somebody else, guilty or innocent. When someone comes at you with a gun, if you have one ounce of self-esteem, you will answer him by force, never mind who he is or who is behind him. If he is out to destroy you, that is what you owe to the sanctity of your own life."
Ayn Rand
"Father arrested for murder over knifing suspected burglar"
Daily Telegraph, 20th September 2011

A 39-year-old father has been arrested on suspicion of murder after knifing one of two men who police believe had been trying to burgle his home. Why, if they believe he was defending himself against criminal activity?

"He that cannot reason is a fool.
He that will not is a bigot.
He that dare not is a slave.
"
Andrew Carnegie

9 comments:

john in cheshire said...

Quite. The pity is that he didn't get both of them.

WitteringsfromWitney said...

jic: Agreed!

DP111 said...

The UK follows the current liberal paradigm of non-discrimination. It follows this slavishly, therefore there can be no discrimination between a convicted rapist and a rape victim, a Jihadi terrorist and say "a blond Norwegian grandmother" entering an airport. No discrimination - thats it.

We now see that we cannot have discrimination between the marriage of man and a woman, and a homosexual couple. Nope, that is against equality and is discriminating. Thus the tradition that has held the family, the nation, and civilisation together for thousands of years, is to be sacrificed on the altar of non-discrimination and political expediency.

Yet, discrimination is the first step to civilisation from barbarism. Ditto, good and evil. A lack of discrimination has also led to the collapse of standards in education. No one is allowed to fail, or no child left behind, are all slogans and policies that embody that principle.

The EU of course is the prime legislating authority in this. Its courts enforce that rule of "non-discrimination" above all others.

So there is a lot to gain in the collapse of the EU. There may be a time of recession, but we are not just homo-economicus, but have other principles that guide us. "Man does not live by bread alone".

TomTom said...

Cheshire Police

David Whatton became the Chief Constable of Cheshire Constabulary on 1st December 2008. He holds the national portfolio for rape and serious sexual offending on behalf of the Association of Chief Police Officers.

Assistant Chief Constable and became Cheshire’s Deputy Chief Constable in April 2005.

Graeme is the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) lead for burglary and CCTV. He is chairman of the ACPO Burglary Reduction Working Group and is a member of the ACPO Acquisitive Crime Board. He has been chairman of the ACPO Video/CCTV Working Group for over 10 years and is chairman of the Video Analysis User Group. He was co-author of the National CCTV Strategy published in October 2007 and chairs the National CCTV Strategy Programme Board. In November 2009 he was asked to chair the Olympic CCTV Project Board.Assistant Chief Constable and became Cheshire’s Deputy Chief Constable in April 2005.

Graeme is the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) lead for burglary and CCTV. He is chairman of the ACPO Burglary Reduction Working Group and is a member of the ACPO Acquisitive Crime Board. He has been chairman of the ACPO Video/CCTV Working Group for over 10 years and is chairman of the Video Analysis User Group. He was co-author of the National CCTV Strategy published in October 2007 and chairs the National CCTV Strategy Programme Board. In November 2009 he was asked to chair the Olympic CCTV Project Board.





Police Authority

The Boiling Frog said...

Killing someone is a serious offence the Police have a duty to investigate to be sure of all the facts. So in a case like this arresting someone is pretty much standard as part of the investigation.

The key point would be if he is charged, and based on the newspaper reports I'd be surprised if he's charged let alone convicted. Two other recent similar cases they were not charged.

I concur though with JiC's comment

TomTom said...

They have to arrest to question under caution.....but if he is not charged and acquitted he cannot recover his legal costs

WitteringsfromWitney said...

DP111: And common sense? See reply to TBF.....

TT: Thanks for the research - have filed that lot away!

TBF & TT: I know both but if this had been the US, the local sheriff would have turned up, asked a few questions and told Cooke: Have a nice day.......

They were aware his property had been invaded, they knew he had defended himself, so why not a bit of common sense? Ask a few questions and once the ambulance had left, bugger off? I accept TT's point, but FCS.......

TomTom said...

if this had been the US, the local sheriff would have turned up, asked a few questions and told Cooke: Have a nice day......

Don't get too carried away....there are states in the US...and then again, there are states....stay out of MA, CT, RI, OR, WA, WI, and possibly CA with attitudes like that or I think you might be surprised.....and the civil suits ....

WitteringsfromWitney said...

TT: I generalised - but thanks for the tip.....