Friday, 9 December 2011

Those Brussels Talks

Until such time as the official communique is released all that is known is that which the MSM 'reports', although as Richard North, EU Referendum, posts, what is being reported is 'filtered' news. He also makes the important point that Cameron has not vetoed a treaty change - this being contrary to what a lot of commentators and 'journalists' would have us believe.

As an aside, Paul Waugh tweets that in Brussels, already the new outer-EU group has a name: the CHUKS (Czechs, Hungary, UK, Sweden and queries whether we will CHUK ourselves out?

More to say when full details are known..........

4 comments:

right_writes said...

I think that this Cameron position, has sparked a real argument about our membership of the EU. He might have to respond to the "plastics" and the "realists" within his own party. This may well lead to a genral election, and maybe a simultaneous referendum…

Interesting to look at it from the Franco/German "council" perspective too, what they are effectively doing is to act independently of the EC, in their desire to see the Eurozone problem fixed (even though, ultimately there is no hope for it), thus they may have established themselves as a more powerful institution than the EC and signed its death warrant, completely the reverse of what was intended with Lisbon.

Cameron hasn't won anything, he has just reverted to the old situation where Britain gets all the sh*t regulations, decisions and directives, but has no voice in the council… Which may well harden Tory voices in the HOC, the penny having finally dropped that there is nothing to be won by being "in Yerp, but not run by Yerp".

IanPJ said...

We shall see...

Whether this is as reported a few days ago just another PR exercise for domestic public consumption, or whether he really has grown a pair.

The worst possible scenario is us ending up with 2 EUs, the Francfurt Bloc and the CHUKS.

although I rather like the ultimate option, Fog in the Channel - Europe cut off.

WV buggerit

Edward Spalton said...

The fiscal agreement between the eurozone and pals is intergovernmental - that is additional to and outside the Lisbon treaty. Every dot and comma of Lisbon remains in place.

Of course, in practice the agreement creates a majority bloc of EU states which will become increasingly well-disciplined under its German sergeant and will also come to a common position on other things. Its members will have a permanent majority in the EU under the Lisbon treaty and be able to outvote Britain any time it likes.

It will be like a larger, more total form of the Elyssee treaty between Germany and France where they agreed and coordinated their positions in advance of any council meeting and so (nearly) always got their way .

WitteringsfromWitney said...

r_w: Re first para - hopefully, but writing this days after the event, it would seem the poodles are content for the moment.

IPJ: Fog in the channel sounds the best option.......

ES: Agreed.