Wednesday, 9 November 2011

Does our prince exist?

Yesterday Klein Verzet picked up on a post by Ian Parker Joseph about the creation of an EU Politburo, ending his article:
"I whole-heartedly agree with Parker-Joseph, this is evil. And it must be stopped. But I sometimes despair at the disinterested shrugs with which this sort of news it received. For all the 'festering rage' against matters EU, there seems to be no desire whatsoever among the Dutch to stand up and say: "NO. Here's where it ends!". Maybe because the threatening shadow looming over us is of something so great and evil that it is unthinkable it ever could be real.

But just in case, shouldn't we make clear what we find beyond the pale, what we will not stand for? Shouldn't we start thinking about setting up our defences? Shouldn't we start thinking about what it means to be free, and what it is worth to us? It is evident that we have nothing to expect from those that presume to lead us. So it will have to be up to us to withdraw consent, to register our grievances and to "legally proceed to the choice of
another prince for [our] defense". Isn't that exactly what we should do?"
While agreeing with that which KV writes, it does raise the question how do we, the people, effect change?

Whatever the system of governance, be that totalitarian, authoritarian, or some form of democracy as is presently practised in most countries, history shows that when one man assumes leadership of a country eventually that old quotation - one attributed to John Emerich Edward Dalberg, 1st Baron Acton (1834–1902), British historian. Letter, April 3, 1887, to Bishop Mandell Creighton. The Life and Letters of Mandell Creighton, vol. 1, ch. 13, ed. Louise Creighton (1904) - becomes ever more evident, namely that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That one quotation demonstrates that never should any people be governed by one person, or a group of people; rather that the people should govern themselves. It is for that reason I am one of those that believes in a participatory form of democracy, such as that practised in Switzerland.

KV mentions that there appears to be no desire in the Netherlands to stand up and say "no more". While in the UK it appears there is a movement among the people to say "no more", at present it only amounts to words - words which the present political elite will not allow to be given voice. As the argument about continuation of a failed financial project gains ground, it is unfortunate and regrettable that our politicians cannot see that continuing membership of a failing political project is just creating a bigger problem which, when the times comes as it surely will, will be even more difficult to resolve. Of course, there is one political party on offer that does provide policies to begin the restoration of our nation's independence, however they do not have sufficient following at present. The fact that they do not have the necessary following must be laid at their own door, even allowing for the fact that the MSM fail to provide them with the necessary publicity and therefore the channels through which they can make their case. Besides a failure of administration, lack of competent personnel and a poor website, it is expecting too much of what is acknowledged as one gifted speaker to spread their message.

It is also an undisputed fact that where the political elite - or leader of a nation - lie, cheat and obfuscate with their people; where in effect they control the media , although not obviously; where draconian measures that impinge on personal freedom are presented as necessary to combat terrorism; where the indoctrination of people begins with children by means of the education system, it becomes increasingly difficult for people not to realise that they are no longer free. To break the cycle of what amounts to self-chosen slavery takes time using legal methods and what remains of the democratic process - and meanwhile that slavery continues. Consequently what results is a situation whereby history repeats itself and eventually the people do rise in open rebellion, leading to civil war, which involves 'blood letting'.

What the 'key' will be that causes open rebellion is hard to prophesy but one thing is certain; while the political elite are able to keep their people reasonably well-fed, housed and can divert their attention with what passes for entertainment on television; are able to maintain their control of the media thus hoodwinking the people, the political elite are safe to continue their subversive enslavement of the people. That this enslavement of the people will eventually result in the UK becoming a full member of the EU in that it will eventually be forced to join the euro is best illustrated by a podcast featuring Nick Robinson (BBC) - and one in which Barroso's words should send a chill down everyone's spine - to which pixijade (Off with your head) links in her post. The lady is quite correct when she writes that it is not unthinkable that if the  euro survives there would be clamour for the UK to join the euro, instead of being ‘left out’; that she does not see anyone in Westminster willing to defend our sovereignty against the EU at the moment so why would they in the future? Ah, you may say but the political elite have promised a referendum on ditching the pound. True, but we all know that with referendums in EU land, they keep being held until the answer that is wanted is given. In any event it must be remembered that those creating an Act of Parliament can just as easily 'amend' it.

So to repeat my question, what will be the key that will stir the people? I can't see one - can you?


Monty Cristo said...

I would hazard a guess that the first instance of a major blackout (is that terminology still ok?) may provoke a modicum of sphincter tension amongst those who may become targets of the great unwashed.

Maybe some seemingly insignificant action may case the fuse to be lit; unfortunately, I think the fuse will at some point in the not too distant future, be lit.

WitteringsfromWitney said...

MC: Say what you like - no PC here, although I do draw the line at bad language.

You may be right that it will be some minor insignificant matter that stirs the pot, who knows something like a ban on national flags.......?

IanPJ said...

MC, I think you are right. It will be a basic practical issue such as energy or food.

With winter on its way, the EU having started a war with Gazprom, lack of power station output, banks likely to start calling in loans or credit card balances, when people go cold or hungry, or both, thats when the fuse will definitely get that red glow to it.

WitteringsfromWitney said...

IPJ: Something to which I eluded to in my post.

Can we bypass the red glow bit and just set it alight?

graham wood said...

"So to repeat my question, what will be the key that will stir the people? I can't see one - can you?"

A very difficult one. No easy answers. But something much more is required than just another or bigger demo, or more riots/sit ins.etc.

I think you are asking about 'regime change' - ie. what is required to change the system in Westminster? Right?
Put another way - how do we restore representative democracy?
Its all very well aspiring to the Swiss model (which I do in spades), but the bigger question is can the current and corrupted Westminster system be reformed?
To ask the question is also to ask can the party system - with its Whips, patronage, and career politicians be cut out?
I fear the answer is no, unless there is a real and fundamental revolution in how we do politics.
Having said that I think there is always the possibility as others suggest, that some relatively small "trigger" could set off a more bloody battle with our political elite.
One last gasp from me: what if the electorate decide by boycotting elections so that turnout is something like 30-40%. That would scare the pants off them.

WitteringsfromWitney said...

gw: If it were possible (and hear I do dream) that a mass demo of a million say could be organised - that would work, problem is it would attract all the idiots such as uncut and the bnp.

Can the present system be changed? Not on a month of sundays.

Re the Swiss system - spread the word, explain it to people.

On a low turnout: I don't honestly think they could care a toss. They make noises, bemoan the fact, as they do now - but at the end of the day they cudn't care less.

thespecialone said...

I'm afraid that truly in the UK, people are so disinterested in politics and more interested in X-Factor/Corrie/Emmerdale etc. How many millions of people watch those programmes? How many watch any political programme?

I like the idea of a march. But as has been stated, the lunatics would probably spoil it. The left being the left will probably try to infiltrate, pretend to be anything but left wing but then cause mayhem. It is possible though as there were 100,000s in the Countryside march and the march against the Iraq war.

The biggest problem really is the media. Yes, the Express is probably the most anti-EU high-readership paper and the Mail is on occasions but believes in being in the EU. But the monolith called the BBC is obviously so achingly pro-EU that they will slant any march against the EU.

I just hope that the EU just implodes on itself.

Anonymous said...

Start killing the politicians!

WitteringsfromWitney said...

tso: the EU will implode is beyond doubt but it will not be because the euro fails 'cause the politicians will never permit that whatever the cost.

The EU will implode because civil war within the states will begin, started by a people's uprising - and then Anon who commented after you will get his wish........

cosmic said...

WfW, my guess is that the Euro is a goner. Politicians don't want it to fail, but they are now on the flight deck of a crashing airliner desperately fiddling with the controls and nothing's happening.

With an overstressed complex structure, it's difficult to say where or quite when it will break. It's just clear that it will go and sometime soon and the slightest thing could trigger it.

For some years it's been hard to see that British Euroscepticism would get us out of the EU. It's far more likely that events elsewhere such as a coup in Greece would cause the EU to fall apart as a chain reaction.

As far as events in the UK go, I'd say power cuts in a bad winter caused by a lunatic energy policy pursued over many years by UK governments, largely to comply with EU environmental policy.

Restoring Britain said...

I'm with Cosmic. I think the Euro is a goner. Changing leaders is political window dressing. You can push through all the austerity plans you like but you've still got to address the financial heroin addiction that got them in this mess which means you've got to get the population to accept them.

Whilst much of the MSM are now starting to show what many bloggers have been called swivel eyed loons for now, the BBC still can't get its story straight. There's a liberal mix of bad news but occasionally reports coming through saying it will all be fine, Italy won't go under.

I do however wonder about the British. Those who are angry for the right reasons seem reduced to leaving their anger in the comments sections of newspapers. Until they decide otherwise, all the screaming from bloggers will make little impact.

WitteringsfromWitney said...

c: I can but hope you are right, however politicians will do everything they can to prolong the agony and in the process create yet more chaos.

RB: We must hope therefore that the British wake up and decide enough is enough - politically and democratically.

cosmic said...


There's a limit to what politicians and the political establishment can do, as was discovered by the USSR. They can do a lot to maintain an unworkable system, it can go on for years, but eventually it goes fut, because it isn't workable.

The Euro depends on Greeks suddenly behaving like Germans, accepting that they have been prodigal and living on beans on toast once a week for years to make up for their sins. It also depends on Germans accepting continuing to pay while Greece gets up to speed and for the current mess. Then Germans continue to subsidise Greece going at a lower speed, but with no Champagne binges. All this without bothering to ask anyone, but using the spectre of a major depression to scare people into accepting it.

A transfer union as in the USA, but with a much greater proportion of the GDP being transferred and the problem of nationalisms which the USA doesn't have. The political cohesion isn't there to do this.

Years ago, when Enoch Powell explained there was no European Demos, he'd seen to the heart of the problem.

WitteringsfromWitney said...

c: " They can do a lot to maintain an unworkable system, it can go on for years, but eventually it goes fut, because it isn't workable."

Which is basically what I said and hinted at the chaos that can be caused in the meantime.