Thursday, 17 November 2011

And who, exactly, 'pushed' for this?

"Mr. Cameron is concerned that if the euro-zone countries agree on a more unified fiscal policy, the bloc could form a caucus within the EU to push through reforms at the expense of the member states outside the common currency."
Doh! But then we are talking 'Cameron & Osborne' here!


IanPJ said...

If Cameron tries to use this as the excuse to push us INTO the Euro, there will be a wailing, a gnashing of teeth and a peoples marching on Parliament like this country has never seen before.

WitteringsfromWitney said...

IPJ: And THAT would get people out onto the streets - Yay! Or will it?

PeterCharles said...

I think this whole episode is simply proof that these lightweights simply do not think. Whatever sounds the glibbest and seems to push the right buttons is spouted out with no thought other than it sounds good and stands a chance of gaining an approving headline.

They really should be put down for the good of the country.

The provincial EU dictatorships, sorry, interim governments, in Greece and Italy may carry within them the seeds of a great political improvement. It seems to me a system where politicians were not allowed to propose any legislation but are required simply to act as a yes/no gate to approve or reject what the appointed technocrats propose, as seems to be the case here, could be an excellent first step to a 'proper' democracy. By cutting off the politicians, and by extension political parties, power to dictate legislation the zealots, demagogues and power trippers that currently seep into political control would soon lose interest, hopefully leaving those who would give or withhold approval after reasoned debate and argument and on the basis of what was good for the country as a whole. Not only that but the urge to stick a finger in every possible pie, the 'pervasive control' brigade as you so aptly described them in your previous post, would likely die with the others. It is only a small step from there to a Referism based system.

I think the EU may have stumbled on an excellent idea were it properly adapted.

john in cheshire said...

WfW, armchair critic that I am, I honestly believe that if Mr Cameron even thinks of taking us into the Euro, I shall join whatever protests are arranged against it, and whatever form they might take. Mr Cameron should make himself aware of what we, the indigenous people, regard as a line over which no one is allowed to cross. If I am representative of the quiescent majority, then he will come to rue the day, together with his perfidious Foreign Secretary.

Anonymous said...

The worrying thing for the UK is that Cameron will dress up any change to the Lisbon Treaty as something that concerns only the Eurozone and therefore does not trigger a referendum on the Treaty changes. Note that the Danes and Irish think that the Treaty is strong enough already for deeper integration, i.e. no Treaty change. They do not want a referendum either because their voters have form. They could not guarantee the right result in the first round.

Dave will try to claim that he repatriated powers away from Brussels, but how long do these opt outs last? Remember Major's opt outs from the Social Chapter and the Working Time Directive in Maastricht?

The EU's aim is to have everybody in the Euro.

WitteringsfromWitney said...

PC: Agreed to a certain extent, but why take a first step? Why not take three or four in one go?

jic: your intention may well be needed sooner than you think - watch and see.......

anon: Yes, heard that an poste on it - and yes it appears it will be done in 'baby steps', one at a time thus negating our being allowed a referendum.