tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861279106331108648.post7299489760981599876..comments2023-09-24T01:25:13.638-07:00Comments on Witterings from Witney: Opening up a pro-eu(er)WitteringsfromWitneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16026875251366365154noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861279106331108648.post-89808453701356558712011-12-20T14:12:04.276-08:002011-12-20T14:12:04.276-08:00Just to let you know, not fixated, merely recognis...Just to let you know, not fixated, merely recognising that under Treaty obligations we are, once we leave the EU by default a member of the EEA. At which point we can then decide. It is merely a default position.Gawain Towlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08583658895528269901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861279106331108648.post-46883386396705364292011-12-20T07:55:38.889-08:002011-12-20T07:55:38.889-08:00Sue: Be pleased to welcome you back.
jic: You sta...Sue: Be pleased to welcome you back.<br /><br />jic: You state the obvious.....<br /><br />JH: Any trade.......<br /><br />IPJ: While I was trying to find that link I see R very kindly did and also stated what I was going to say in that I believe we would have to apply for EFTA membership, if that is what we want rather than bilateral agreements that Switzerland has.<br /><br />c: Agreed and also agreed Ukip needs to get its act together.<br /><br />IH: Not had any response from Nucleus yeet - will post when I do.WitteringsfromWitneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16026875251366365154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861279106331108648.post-73019898312902385722011-12-19T18:44:04.333-08:002011-12-19T18:44:04.333-08:00What a nasty outfit Matt Lewis' "nucleus&...What a nasty outfit Matt Lewis' "nucleus" is, crowing about Bombardier losing the rail contract to Siemens<br /><br />http://nucleus.uk.net/home/item/train<br /><br />As Siemens gets most contracts through bribes - they've been found guilty in courts around the globe - it wouldn't surprise me if they finance nucleus, too. <br /><br />PS looks like they'll get the main HS2 contract too.Ian Hillshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12619977137431223237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861279106331108648.post-52502259340111770942011-12-19T15:47:26.143-08:002011-12-19T15:47:26.143-08:00Richard North has a very good point. There is no c...Richard North has a very good point. There is no clear vision of what life could be like outside the EU and no convincing plan as to how we would deal with various realities such as EFTA/EEA together with a host of other international arrangements which would need to be dealt with. Such a plan couldn't be detailed and it would need to be flexible, but would have the advantage that major problems would not be a surprise that we had to muddle through somehow. A risk of failure would be that we were crawling back to the EU or its wreckage.<br /><br />Also, it would mean that Euroscepticism was presenting a positive view to work towards and not the negative one of reacting against the EU and leaving and being left with a great unknown. The great unknown is a powerful force to erode Eurosceptic sentiment and feeds the 'In Europe but not ruled by Europe'/renegotiation foolishness, which amounts to being in the EU but complaining.<br /><br />One of the failings of UKIP is that it doesn't really have such compelling vision of life after the EU, it sort of hints at it.<br /><br />The UK isn't Norway and it isn't Switzerland. For a start neither have been members of the EU. Totally different countries with different outlooks and histories.cosmicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861279106331108648.post-83511762635349305162011-12-19T14:44:02.492-08:002011-12-19T14:44:02.492-08:00Richard,
Many thanks for the clarification.
On t...Richard,<br />Many thanks for the clarification. <br /><br />On the basis of what you have provided I may undertake some further digging to see exactly what options may be open to us, and what possible course of actions are available.IanPJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861279106331108648.post-90114370053693500522011-12-19T14:23:24.122-08:002011-12-19T14:23:24.122-08:00We are members of the EEA by virtue of our members...We are members of the EEA by virtue of our membership of the EU. See:<br /><br />http://ec.europa.eu/world/agreements/downloadFile.do?fullText=yes&treatyTransId=448<br /><br />The treaty is between the contracting parties (members of the EU) and the members of EFTA.<br /><br />On the face of it, if we ceased to be a contracting party, we would no longer be members of the EEA.<br /><br />But before we rejoined, it looks as if we would first have to join EFTA.<br /><br />I am happy to acknowledge, though, that this is a grey area.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02561483930556493363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861279106331108648.post-57844642261300157542011-12-19T14:10:58.031-08:002011-12-19T14:10:58.031-08:00WfW,
It is worth noting at this point that the UK...WfW,<br /><br />It is worth noting at this point that the UK has two treaties in force at this point in time.<br /><br />We are both members of the EU AND the European Economic Area (EEA). Leaving one does not mean exclusion from the other.<br /><br />We only need to leave the EU to be as free as Norway and Switzerland already are.IanPJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861279106331108648.post-22988216640358685272011-12-19T13:46:11.232-08:002011-12-19T13:46:11.232-08:00Bilateral trade - the way to go.Bilateral trade - the way to go.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861279106331108648.post-75708783957354968562011-12-19T13:22:23.690-08:002011-12-19T13:22:23.690-08:00"We cannot operate as a Switzerland or a Norw..."We cannot operate as a Switzerland or a Norway, it is not in our nature". Oh, that's nice to know. And of course it is in our nature to be f**ked over by 26 members of the EU? And pay them for the privilege.<br />The man's a cretin.john in cheshirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179825507377423624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861279106331108648.post-81446203841168612292011-12-19T13:22:17.869-08:002011-12-19T13:22:17.869-08:00With all the animosity being directed at Britain n...With all the animosity being directed at Britain now, I understand why the FO had the need to plan an evacuation plan for expats.<br /><br />I can however happily report that these things are not taken personally by ordinary people. They happen to realise that none of us have any influence left over our politicians :)<br /><br />However, I have already planned to come home during next year for good but only because I feel my time here has ended.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07165615283953837706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8861279106331108648.post-35327986008537246642011-12-19T13:10:23.838-08:002011-12-19T13:10:23.838-08:00Nucleus :) You read my mind.. I tweeted "an a...Nucleus :) You read my mind.. I tweeted "an article by Matthew Lewis, aged 13.3/4"...<br /><br />I have a smile on face, first time for a very long time. I'm fucked if I know what's going to happen but when confusion reigns this badly in the EU, it has to be good!Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07165615283953837706noreply@blogger.com